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arxiv:2505.09343

Insights into DeepSeek-V3: Scaling Challenges and Reflections on Hardware for AI Architectures

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· Submitted by nielsr on May 15
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DeepSeek-V3 addresses hardware limitations through MLA, MoE, FP8 training, and Multi-Plane Network Topology, enabling efficient large-scale LLM training and inference.

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The rapid scaling of large language models (LLMs) has unveiled critical limitations in current hardware architectures, including constraints in memory capacity, computational efficiency, and interconnection bandwidth. DeepSeek-V3, trained on 2,048 NVIDIA H800 GPUs, demonstrates how hardware-aware model co-design can effectively address these challenges, enabling cost-efficient training and inference at scale. This paper presents an in-depth analysis of the DeepSeek-V3/R1 model architecture and its AI infrastructure, highlighting key innovations such as Multi-head Latent Attention (MLA) for enhanced memory efficiency, Mixture of Experts (MoE) architectures for optimized computation-communication trade-offs, FP8 mixed-precision training to unlock the full potential of hardware capabilities, and a Multi-Plane Network Topology to minimize cluster-level network overhead. Building on the hardware bottlenecks encountered during DeepSeek-V3's development, we engage in a broader discussion with academic and industry peers on potential future hardware directions, including precise low-precision computation units, scale-up and scale-out convergence, and innovations in low-latency communication fabrics. These insights underscore the critical role of hardware and model co-design in meeting the escalating demands of AI workloads, offering a practical blueprint for innovation in next-generation AI systems.

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I'm totally new to this, but I see there is python here, 1800 lines of python code and it is a standard gained by time and best practices.
when I was doing some search on Rust and Python memory used with a 1,000,000 threads - the results were like 130mb for Rust and 1.5gb for Python, RUST or ZIG are EXTREMELY memory efficient.
Although I do not use any of them I am a JS, TS high level languages developer.
my proposal is to PORT Python to Rust, incrementally line by line but the issue is the imported modules, imports like torch, transformers, flash_attn, etc., are Python-specific libraries, many of which have extensive backends written in C++ and CUDA. so no direct one by one porting, which I believe would totally fix our issues.

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